In an online discussion I saw, people insisted krillin is no where near as good as Goku in fighting sense, while one guy was defending him. He explained that Goku learned the kamehameha first try and that krillin did so as well in chapter 120/121 of the manga, but they insisted that krillin’s test run was a complete faliure and not simply him testing a weak one to see if he could actually perform it. What do you think? I believe he was able to. He’s goku’s rival, right? He has to be that good.

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If that was supposed to be an actual Kamehameha, it would have been one not even aimed at his enemy and meant to be fired into the crowd. He was literally only testing the motions to see if he could replicate them, the little flame he shot out was actually not really intended.

Krillin’s also exceptionally gifted at manipulating energy, He taught himself how to fire a homing shot on his own:

He taught himself how to fly.

He created a move capable of killing Raditz many times over:

He created a move capable of taking out enemies far stronger than himself (without killing himself to do it, no less)

And even learned to channel the energy of the Spirit Bomb with simple verbal instruction, something Goku had to really work at.

And his skill in combat was enough to actually make Piccolo tap into his true power back when they fought.

Krillin’s a very nimble fighter who can withstand a lot of punishment, and he’s also a very versatile, quick-thinking combatant who’s known for his ability to strategize on the fly.

But, you know, we gotta push the memes.

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One thing I think people so often overlook with Krillin is what exactly he is to this series and WHY exactly he may be more timid than his counterparts.

Krillin is the normalcy among these characters. This is a world of superpowers, a world where people see a giant dragon appear in the sky and assume it must just be another Capsule Corp experiment, a world where people hear voices from the sky and think it’s a prank, where entire fully-furnished houses can fit inside your pocket.Nobody really bats an eye at any of this stuff.Ā 

You look at the guys with these weird powers and they also take things as they come for the most part, unphased, just figuringĀ ā€œoh boy here comes a thing againā€ and that’s that.

Except this guy.

This guy was the everyman. This guy was the one to take the reader’s perspective of things and point out just how truly, weirdly insane things could get at times. This guy actually experienced fear, dread, feelings of inadequacy. This guy actually worried about his family when he was out on the battlefield as opposed to being completely swept up in the fight.

But why, pray tell, was he so much more susceptible to these emotions?

Well, a lot of it would have to do with the fact that he was a victim of abuse as a child.

Krillin, as a small boy, was alone. No parents, no family to speak of, he found himself raised at Orin Temple. While there, he was subjected to abuse from the other inhabitants, many of them grown men, who would constantly mock and beat up on him, mocking both his size and strange appearance. It left such a mark on him that he began physically trembling again just upon seeing them. When he spoke in front of them, it was quiet, almost indiscernible.

Now it’s important to realize that, up until this point, that’s the literal opposite of how Krillin had been portrayed. He was cocky, sarcastic. He wasn’t afraid to try to roast people. He seemed very sure of himself most of the time. And then we learn here that it was all a front, that he actually had absolutely no confidence in himself, a trait literally beaten into him over the years.

On top of this, a few years later, while still a boy… he was killed. More specifically, killed by this monster here.

Trying to fight back had been futile. Despite his best effort, Krillin found himself dead at the hands of one of Piccolo’s demon children, and all because he’d opted to go get Goku’s stuff so his only real friend didn’t have to stop celebrating his match. That alone would be traumatic in and of itself, but take into consideration what Kami said later.

The souls of those killed by demons cannot rest, they cannot know peace. They’re doomed to drift in space, suffering the entire time. Krillin was killed by one such demon. This means he didn’t appear at the check-in station, never got to experience the other world. During the time it took to finally defeat Piccolo and restore the Dragon Balls to wish him back, the only thing Krillin experienced was pain and suffering.

Now call me crazy, but… might the above not warrant an aversion to death? If everyone else got to experience what the afterlife was, yet all you’d known was a restless, unending grief and pain, might you be a bit more likely to fear facing that again? Might you be more likely to doubt yourself and your abilities when people would literally beat this idea into your head?

(Side note: This is literally how half the Western fandom treats him. No joke.)

I just think a lot of Krillin’s background is overlooked and not taken into consideration when people try to analyze why he is the way he is.

Scratch that, I think you guys need to hear his voice in this exchange. It’s almost shocking considering his depiction up to this point.

Again, overlooked way too often.

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Goodness gracious me, Goku making sure Gohan’s safe before fighting and showing concern for his son’s well-being?!

I was told this was something he’d never do!

But I feel like this was stuck in the game intentionally to show some kind of character growth because we all know Goku has always had issues thinking of others when he decides he wants to fight someone.Ā 

Not necessarily, no.

Even when completely enraged he took the time to tell Gohan to take Piccolo and get somewhere safe before it overtook him completely. And when they came back to face Freeza after his return, Goku moved him and Piccolo’s body out of harm’s way before fighting.

he is the kind of person that rathers get hurt before watching his friends get hurt, this has always been since he was a kid.

Damn, these are solid points all around! Toriyama should probably read itĀ  šŸ˜‰Ā 

(AAAAAAYYYYY)

I’ve never really thought Goku didn’t love his son, just that in alot of instances his whole family (Gohan included) came second in alot of things. He’s valued training and getting stronger over alot of things, going so far as too staying dead after the Cell saga so he could keep training and leaving his wife (who was pregnant) to raise their kids alone.

He made Gohan fight Cell when Gohan was more of a scholar. He COULD fight and had a strong sense of justice, but until he got pushed emotionally he was absolutely pummeled.

During the Buu saga after managing to actually get their kids and Piccolo out of Buu Goku chose Hercule and Supreme Kai to save, leaving the unconscious children and his son to die in the Earth’s explosion. Even Vegeta gets pissed at him. (Yes, in the end it’s Hercule that saves the day but really? No tears? Nothing deep or emotional from Goku? )

The thing about Goku is he’s dumb. Yes….DBS has… exaggerated that a but more but he is. He is simple because he never had schooling. For fucks sake he wondered if Bulma was injured cause she didn’t have a penis. He didn’t even know what marriage was. He is a very selfish individual who fights because he wants to and believes that others feel the same way mostly cause, as I see it from how he’s been shown to us through his entire presence through the dragon Ball series, that’s how he was raised. He didn’t know anything but training and sparring and that’s the world he grew up in.

It’s worked for him, so why change? Surely his own kids feel the same way? He loves them but honestly it feels like he subconsciously adopted the Saiyan method of raising a kid.

Don’t do it yourself. Let them get stronger and fight their own battles.

Goku decided to stay dead after the Cell Games because he felt it was his fault that so many bad guys appeared on Earth. And he did have a point – the saiyans, Frieza, the androids, and Cell. Getting to fight warriors in Otherworld was just a plus and probably something he said so his loved ones wouldn’t worry about him. He would have plenty to do. Besides, it’s not like he knew Chi Chi was pregnant at the time. He he had no clue whatsoever.

As for Gohan fighting Cell. Gohan was literally the ONLY one who could defeat Cell. Goku knows full well that his son wants to be a scholar and used that to encourage him. That way after the battle was over, his son could have a future and live to do what he wants.

And it’s not like Goku was thrilled and happy to see his son get thrashed. This is why I hate the anime potrayal of this fight – it shows Goku smiling throughout the whole thing, but in the manga this just really isn’t the case. He was clearly worried.

Gohan had to be pushed beyond his limit and to anger, otherwise he wouldn’t have fought back.

And it’s not like Cell would just be okay and call of the Cell Games. He had every intention to kill everyone and destroy Earth if he wasn’t stopped. Again, Gohan was the only hope.

As for Kid Buu. Goku had every intention to use IT to save everyone else after he saved Hercule and Dende, but there wasn’t enough time. And idk why you say Goku showed no emotion. He was visibly upset.

Finally, once again, Goku knows full well that Gohan wants to be a scholar, but I don’t exactly blame him if he may have thought otherwise because look at Gohan’s behavior throughout the series – he came back out of his own free will, after Goku sent him and Krillin away, to fight Vegeta. He wanted to go to Planet Namek, and he wanted to train everytime against the androids. This is also true of Goten, that on some level, he enjoyed fighting when he was a kid. I mean, he and Trunks always rushed off to check out what was going on when they sensed great power levels; they always wanted to stay and watch the fights. Plus, as Gotenks, you can’t tell me they didn’t enjoy fighting. So, that is some pretty mixed messages right there. Gohan wants to be a scholar, but on the other hand, he can have fun fighting (e.g. He was impatient to wait his turn on Babidi’s ship)

As for Goku leaving the fate of the world’s hand onto the next generation. To be honest, although dangerous, that is actually realistic and healthy. His kids and his friends cannot depend on him all their lives. They have to become independant and be able to look after themselves. It may seem selfish and harsh, but this is the truth.

Goku won’t be around forever. He knows this. For all intents and purposes, Goku shouldn’t have lived again after Cell. Even the dragon balls have limits.

And let’s be real. In this series, bad guys will always pop up eventually. What will happen on the day Goku has passed away and won’t be able to come back and help? Eventually, he will stay dead, no exception, and no chance of returning to Earth. It will be permanent one day (just like in Mirai Trunks’ timeline).

Thus, it’s best everyone else be ready. Yes, it’s hard and such a heavy burden to carry, but I mean, that is why people like Krillin and Gohan go back to training so they will be strong to protect their loved ones. They do it because they want to. They want to be strong to protect that they hold precious. Again, they can’t expect Goku to be around forever. They can’t always count on him to save them (e.g. He was powerless against Cell, Beerus, etc).

Goku may seem like a simple character who is irresponsible and merely loves fighting, but that just isn’t the case. He is actually a really smart and complex character when you take off your meme goggles and really look at this series deeply and all the evidence in the manga.

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You wanna know how you know character memes are often taken more seriously than the actual series in this fandom?

  • There are people who literally think Goku killed himself intentionally vs Cell.
  • There are people who legitimately think Vegeta was a good guy and great parent since Trunks was born.
  • There are people who think Goku has no technique and cannot strategize on the battlefield and relies solely on brute force to win.
  • There are people who not only think Krillin is weaker than Roshi and Yamcha, or even only as strong as Mr. Satan, but they actually think Krillin knowing the Kamehameha in Super is either an asspull or the first time he ever learned to use it.
  • There are people who still think Vegeta never wanted to be bad, and that Vegeta’s plan to kill Freeza was about saving the galaxy from his tyrannical reign.
  • There are still people who think Yamcha was an abusive boyfriend while ignoring Young Bulma’s pattern of technicallyĀ ā€œabusiveā€ behavior toward him & her friends.
  • There are still people who think Piccolo raised Gohan (and even Goten), even doing so while Goku was still around, despite Piccolo only having been alone with Gohan for six months and not seeing him too often after Cell.
  • There are still people who think 18 wasĀ ā€œtrappedā€ into a relationship because she was guilt tripped by KrillinĀ ā€œsaving herā€.
  • There are still people who think Gohan wanted to be a warrior but Chi-Chi stopped him from becoming one & was an abusive parent.

I could go on but sweet Jesus, it’s bad. And when you show them things from the series itself, they reject it and say theyĀ ā€œdon’t agreeā€, orĀ ā€œthat’s not the version I grew up with so it doesn’t countā€ or other such nonsense.

It’s freakin’ nutso.

These may not come up as often but I sure as hell see them SO (strap in babes this is a doozy).

If these don’t say ā€œI think one or two mangled character traits are accurate portrayals of these fleshed out individualsā€ I don’t know what does:

There are people who think that Goku intentionally held back against Cell so Gohan would have to fight (fucking why, God only knows, ah yes Son Goku always at it for the lolz).

Following that, there are people who genuinely believe Goku was really happy that Gohan had to get his ass kicked by Cell (because they keep confusing Goku saying ā€œGohan is our only hopeā€ with him saying ā€œGohan is our only hope and I’m fucking PUMPED about it!ā€. And I mean, they think he was freaking ecstatic about it, like watching his preteen son get beat down was the highlight of his day. It’s really weird.

There are fuckers people that believe that ā€œBattle-Crazy Gokuā€ shit in general, the idea that a majority, if not all of the fights in Z are because Goku sought them out/purposely escalated the situation in some way. Of course that couldn’t be farther from the truth, 9/10 of the major conflicts are villains seeking revenge for him stopping their evil deeds (if not Goku being totally unrelated to the initial conflict entirely). Hell, one entire arc is because of one dude! I can’t believe I’m saying that Son Goku is a literal sufferer of Victim Blaming, but here we are.

Following that, there are people who blame both Frieza’s survival on Namek and his attempt to attack Earth on Goku, because heĀ ā€œspared himā€ (wrong, he tried to spare him. And then F went backstabby and Goku blew him up. When will these people start fact checking the answer is never!).

There are people who think that Goku was happy to stay dead, for a shit ton of dumb reasons. This normally comes about when people misinterpret the scene at the Lookout right after he dies w/ Cell. He said something along the lines of ā€œDon’t worry about me [staying in Otherworld], there’s lots of strong fighters here!ā€, and douchenozzles with zero perception took it as him literally saying that he was happy to leave everyone and putz around fighting- y’know, instead of what it actually was: him comforting his soon to be grieving friends and familyĀ (including his child who is quite clearly blaming himself for his dad’s death) by letting them know he’d be okayĀ (this one always bothered me the most tbh, don’t sully his sacrifice and compassion you absolute FUCKS).

There are people who still think 18 doesn’t love Krillin/ is ā€œusing himā€ (for WHAT)

There are, apparently, people who believe Goku is somehow forcing Chi Chi to be with him/ be faithful after he dies. Yes, ultra-traditional Chi Chi is being forced to not date after her husband dies. Forced by her DEAD HUSBAND from beyond the grave. Right.Ā 

(I only saw this one in detail once, and vaguely a few other times, but it was so wild that I have to mention it)

And yeah, there are people who honestly think Yamcha was the worst offender in their tumultuous relationship and not Bulma, who does some really fucked up shit you guys, come on nowĀ (I wrote a bit about it in my Yeah, no, Yamcha didn’t fucking cheatĀ reblog, TL;DR Teen/Verging on Young Adult Bulma was an absolute menace)

Ā And also YEAH, there are people that actually think Vegeta gave a shit about Trunks pre-Buu, even thoughĀ 

  • Trunks had been able to go SS for God knows how long before Veggie even found outĀ 
  • The ā€œnever hugā€ thingĀ 
  • The ā€œproud, battle seasoned warrior punches an 8yo in the face because he’s startledā€ thing
  • TheĀ ā€œdown with him dying more than onceā€ thing
  • My weakass speculations as to how often Trunks and Veggie were even in the same room based on the aforementioned Trunks goes SS scene (spoiler: not often)

And of course: There are people who still, to this day, hold the belief that DBZA, the parody, ā€˜tells the story better’… than the actual story.Ā 


I don’t even know how to end this post other thanĀ ā€œI hate this goddamn fanbaseā€

Ah, theĀ ā€œGoku could have beaten Cellā€ bit? That’s thanks to the Other world Tournament filler. He was evenly matched with Pikkon, who essentially one-shotted Cell AND Freeza AND the Ginyu Force all at once, ergo Goku being able to match him MUST mean he could have easily beaten Cell.

It’s one of the main things I point out when people claim Filler never changed or affected anything in the series or how people view these characters.

On that Goku holding back against Cell thing, didn’t Goku HIMSELF say that he was going all out, or was that a dub only mis-translation?

Goku both explicitly says he was trying his hardest and that he knew that Gohan had gotten so much stronger during their time in the ROSAT it looked to him like they were taking it easy.

And Cell was still a bit stronger than Gohan at this point. Hence why Goku knew Gohan finally pushing past the limits of a Super Saiyan was literally their only hope.

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Dragon Ball is receiving a new movie as part of the 20th Movie Commemoration Project. Release date and more information TBA.

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Dragon Ball Movie coming December 2018 about the origins of the saiyans!Ā The key word(s): ā€œThe strongest warrior race in the universe, the Saiyansā€. Ā Finally, a chance for Saiyans to get the limelight!

Akira Toriyama will be handling the script and character designs for the new Dragon Ball movie.