It was pretty fcked up of Stan and Kyle to get a degrading pic of Britney just for the cash, but I like how they at least tried to help and save her. Moreover, how they admitted how they were just as guilty as those reports and really all the American people.
Ok so youâre not the first to ask me about Kyman but I figured, its about time I answer this question đ Prepare yourselves, its a long one! ha!
Iâve been active in fandoms in general four about 6 years, of course I wasnât too into replying or making gifsets back then (I just learned to make gifsâŠthen gifs with text! yay me!). But I did make a few posts on here (for other tv shows) but nothing too major. Now that Iâm older (yes 25 is old afâŠ) I can express myself without having to worry about negativity coming from antis or crack ships, but mostly that I can back up my claims and my reasons for why I like what I like and why i DISLIKE what I dislike.
Kyman has been around for YEARS just like Style and Creek (actually everyone ships the boys with the boysâŠ) so its not hard to believe there is more support for Kyman than Kydi. That being said, I do not like Kyman, and in general, I donât like Cartman with anyone. Not even for fun or a crack ship because of who he really is, which isnât a good person. I just canât ship him with someone else in the show that I really care about. Cartman is the definition of a narcissistic, racist sociopath. And to put him in a relationship with anyone is toxic and unthinkable honestly. He is self-absorbed little shit who doesnât care about anyone else on a deep level (which is what you need in a true relationshipâŠeven friendship), you need to be able to express sympathy & empathy), how can a person like Cartman be in a healthy relationship if he cant express those traits?
This isnât like a villain who can get a redemption arc and find love and change for the better, forever. Cartman does not want to change, he sees nothing wrong with how he treats people, with what he believes in and what he stands for. Even as a crack ship (trust me, I have a lot of crack ships for fun), I UNDERSTAND the appeal, I get why people believe its canon or will be, but for me its not. Cartman would have to be a completely different person for me to want to ship him with someone. Trey & Matt are smart fellas, they created cartman, they know him and even if we enjoy him in the show with his friends getting into weird shenanigans, it doesnât mean they dont know what theyâve created, it doesnât mean WE the fans, ignore what cartman has done or is capable of doing. Thereâs a reason why he was able to get a girlfriend and why he no longer has one now. The first glimpse even before Heiman should be his relationship with his mom and a deeper look into it was in season 10 the episode âTsstâ where Ms Cartman has to hire a nanny to discipline Eric. At the end he manipulates his mother AGAIN to satisfy his needs and to obey him. So if he does this with his mom, you know hes going to do that to whomever he dates, and I WILL not stand for that. Did not stand for it during Heiman wouldnât stand for it in Kyman, or Buttman or w/e else is creeping aroundâŠ
The reason I like south park so much is because despite all these boys & girls being 10 year olds, Matt & Trey make them appealing to adults because in some ways they inhabit a certain intelligence and morality that WE understand. Sure theyâre still little kids and their naivety is STILL there when it counts and its still very funny & charming to say the least. But the fact remains that Trey & Matt put our boys in relationships not only to have some humorous moments but also REAL moments that speak to us whether its a healthy or toxic relationship (platonic, familial & romantic alike). Thatâs what makes south park a success.
Closing this out, my final words are that in my honest opinion I donât believe Kyman is canon nor that there is a hidden meaning behind it. Trey & Matt have made that pretty clear the past 21 seasons. Cartman & Kyle are rivals in the most violent/unhealthy (albeit funny) ways. This isnât some Naruto & Sasuke or Goku & Vegeta relationships where they want to be better than their counterparts because they feel like they have something to proveâŠthose examples are intense rivalries but eventually they build strong foundations in a deep rooted friendships. Meanwhile, Kyman are rivals because Kyle & Cartman stand for different things in many subjects, the hard hitting ones mostly and its not endearing, its exhausting and more often than not, we side with Kyle because Kyle embodies good while Cartman encompasses evil. And Kyle doesnât deserve that, he needs someone who will go the distance just like he would for them. His concern for Heidi is one of the reasons I root for Kydi (or why I adore his friendship with Stan). Not just for the cuteness but because while everyone pushed her away, he tried to pull her in BEFORE he found out about his feelings. And he almost got to her too. Heidi turning into cartman was the worst arc (tho she had her funny moments NGLâŠ) and her being awful to Kyle was terrible, but I also knew that wasnât really Heidi at her core, this wasnât her, so I knew Kyle would be ok and he would be able to tell her off (which he does in the finale). That doesnât excuse her for what she did, but in the finale she recognize the worst in her and she stopped it. When has Cartman EVER acknowledged hes done wrong and genuinely felt sorry for what hes done or concern for someone else other than himself?
I still enjoy Cartman in the main group with the boys and getting into crazy adventures, but not in romantic relationships with anyone. He pisses me off more often than not, but I can still laugh and not take the show too seriously when its meant to be funny.
Ok I ranted long enough but just to be clear, despite my opinion on Kyman, I stay in my lane. I do not spread nor send hate to those who ship Kyman or believe in it. It is their right to ship what they want. I just stay out of it or block it. Lifeâs too short to be on here hating everything. Being in so many fandoms and seeing so much hate is so exhausting and Iâm not gonna waste my time. Im going to spend it with you lovely people who ship the same ships and reblog my gifsets and send me great comments and questions. I live for that đ
Something like two weeks MONTHS ago @ericbroflovski asked me how I personally interpreted Kyleâs ~Moral Character~, and I wrote so many words that I figured it was a waste not to clean them up and organize it into a formal meta post. Full credits to gina/sweeticing, whose input helped refine these thoughts, & who I definitely quote at least once down here.
*rolls up my fucking sleeves, cracks open the whiskey and eats some grapes* Okay, whoâs ready to get Extremely Pretentious and take South Park WAY too seriouslyâą.Â
1. PHILOSOPHICAL IDEALISM AND STRUCTURE
So, Kyle is often referred to as an âidealistâ in the sense that he believes, ultimately, that humanity is capable of rising above the ugly aspects of its nature and is drawn back to this belief again and again despite being continuously disappointed. But Iâd go further than the commonly understood definition and argue that Kyle is a Idealist character in the (boring) Philosophical (jargon) sense of the word as well, which is to say that his default view of the world is actually a lot more on the âspiritualâ end of metaphysics than you might expect from a character who often gets pinned as âthe logical oneâ.
* takes a long drag from cigar * Here are some Unpopular Opinions âą
âąKyman is abusive, and Cartman isnât the only abusive one. Kyle is just as abusive in their relationship as Cartman. Kyle is not nearly as shitty of a person as Cartman, but theyâve both tried killing each other (even if they have also both saved each other) They both start arguments, they both thrive off the other suffering, and they both intentionally do things to hurt/sabotage one another. Sorry to say it folks, relationships are about building each other up and bringing out the best in one another. That is a healthy relationship, yes there are bumps and yes there can be problems but if your relationship is dedicated to making each other feel shitty and whatnot itâs not healthy itâs toxic.
âąStyle is a good ship, but has problematic aspects. One of them being how Kyle handles Stanâs depression. He abandoned his friend in a time of need for Cartman. In fact that entire episode was reallllyyyyy out of character, but regardless Kyle still gave up on his friend bc he was âmaking him feel depressed tooâ rather than try finding the source of the problem and trying to help like heâd normally do he left him in a time of need. Thereâs also the aspect of Stan occasionally being a jerk and not caring about others either.
âąNow despite popular belief, no I donât think Stan is an alcoholic. He drank it in one episode where it became a problem, then at the end was shown taking a sip from his secret bottle. 1) a sip isnât nearly enough to get drunk, alcoholics get addicted to becoming drunk stan wasnât drunk he took a sip maybe enough to get a buzz at most and 2) heâs never shown drinking it again and 3) He CANONLY has developed coping mechanisms. He CANONLY suffers from trauma/repressed memories and CANONLY has found coping mechanisms. INCLUDING acknowledging his addictive personality and doing things to keep away from things that he can become addicted to. While the episode only covered Freemium games it implies other things like ALCOHOL too. So sorry guys Stan ISNT an alcoholic and doesnât wanna end up like his dad. (Also, Stan is canonly a happy drunk not a depressed drunk)
âąWendy leaving Stan for Token wasnât a dick move. I love stan, I do, hes the most relatable character for me and I love him. But Wendy deserves better. He tries his best but he constantly does things that either anger her or out right disrespect her. Sheâs not perfect either, no, and I think if they both made adjustments they could work things out. (Also just bc I say this doesnât mean I donât ship Stendy or Stendyle bc both those are my shit)
âąCreek is a forced relationship and overrated. It was literally no different than an arranged marriage and yes donât get me wrong they do support each other and it is a healthy relationship, but idk the whole forced aspect of it is just bad and if itâd just happen naturally itâd be a lot better. Regardless I still like it, but I mean the only reason they got together was to make other people happy. Again thatâs not what a relationship should be about. But in recent episodes they have been shown to actually care and at the very least be very good friends so * shrugs *
âąButters isnât a sweet innocent angel. Heâs fully capable of being an asshole and has shown it multiple times. Heâs still the most naive and probably sweetest of the boys, but heâs not an innocent baby.
âąSame goes to Jimmy who I also love but jesus dude he made fun of his friend because his mom fucking died. (Deleted scene from Reverse Cowgirl) Which mind you Butters was in on.
âąClyde Donovan deserves better and I will NOT rest until he gets the appreciation and love he needs
OKAY BUT LIKE ALL OF THIS^
That is literally why I cannot stand Kyman. Notp for me. People can ship whatever tf they want, but like have the decency to admit it is super unhealthy and toxic. Though I feel Cartman is the most abusive, Kyle is definitley no push over and can kick his ass. I mean he has done things like egging Cartman off to jump off a roof when everyone else was saying it was a bad idea. I love Kyle because of his super kind and caring heart, but like everyone on the show he can be a dick at times. Lol. He is, again, super kind and has a good heart, but Kyle is no saint. Still one of the more nicer characters, I think.
And omg yeah. As much as I love Style. Otp. It definitley is not exactly healthy. It’s why this ship has caused me so much pain!!! lol. Like I cringe and cry everytime Stan and Kyle don’t support each other. LIke c’mon guys you’re super best friends and allowed to make mistakes, but sometimes it’s just like wtf?! Be more supoortive and understanding!
Idk if in Assburgers Kyle was ooc cause still watching the series for the first time, but in a way I understood where he was coming from. When interacting with a person who is negative and depreased it really is hard and draining. That’s why it’s important to set boundaries for your own mental health and well being. But yeah, it’s pretty just ???? that Kyle ddn’t seem to take the time to help Stan like ???
Also, that’s a interesting note about Stan and alcohol! Will have to really watch out for that as I reach later seasons!
This is mainly what I wanted to say. I don’t ship Stendy, but biased cause Style! And idk if Stan and Wendy could work out, but she does deserve better. I mean despite being together, Stan hadn’t talked to her for weeks. I don’t think I see them having that much in common? Not sure tho.
I like how you mentioned Creek. Not a good way to start a relationship, but I’m pretty happy wih it because it is literally one of the HEALTHIEST relationships I havr ever seen. And as someone with an anxiety disorder, it’s super important to me that Craig really tries to help and understand Tweek. Especially with all the stigma and discrimination there is about mental illness.
My final comment will be on Butters. Just YES. This is why I ha e enjoyed seeing him slowly stand up to Cartman in later seasons. Before he kind of just took it, but I’m glad to see him stand up and talk back to Cartman. Butters is one of the nicest, if not the nicest character on the show. But you’re right. He’s no angel. I mean just look at what his intentions were with Professor Chaos. Despite his plans failing and being goofy and funny, idk man, the intent of causing chaos and panic was stil there.
đ„ There is beauty in destructionđ„ 