Goodness gracious me, Goku making sure Gohanās safe before fighting and showing concern for his sonās well-being?!
I was told this was something heād never do!
But I feel like this was stuck in the game intentionally to show some kind of character growth because we all know Goku has always had issues thinking of others when he decides he wants to fight someone.Ā
Not necessarily, no.
Even when completely enraged he took the time to tell Gohan to take Piccolo and get somewhere safe before it overtook him completely. And when they came back to face Freeza after his return, Goku moved him and Piccoloās body out of harmās way before fighting.
he is the kind of person that rathers get hurt before watching his friends get hurt, this has always been since he was a kid.
Damn, these are solid points all around! Toriyama should probably read itĀ šĀ
(AAAAAAYYYYY)
Iāve never really thought Goku didnāt love his son, just that in alot of instances his whole family (Gohan included) came second in alot of things. Heās valued training and getting stronger over alot of things, going so far as too staying dead after the Cell saga so he could keep training and leaving his wife (who was pregnant) to raise their kids alone.
He made Gohan fight Cell when Gohan was more of a scholar. He COULD fight and had a strong sense of justice, but until he got pushed emotionally he was absolutely pummeled.
During the Buu saga after managing to actually get their kids and Piccolo out of Buu Goku chose Hercule and Supreme Kai to save, leaving the unconscious children and his son to die in the Earthās explosion. Even Vegeta gets pissed at him. (Yes, in the end itās Hercule that saves the day but really? No tears? Nothing deep or emotional from Goku? )
The thing about Goku is heās dumb. Yesā¦.DBS has⦠exaggerated that a but more but he is. He is simple because he never had schooling. For fucks sake he wondered if Bulma was injured cause she didnāt have a penis. He didnāt even know what marriage was. He is a very selfish individual who fights because he wants to and believes that others feel the same way mostly cause, as I see it from how heās been shown to us through his entire presence through the dragon Ball series, thatās how he was raised. He didnāt know anything but training and sparring and thatās the world he grew up in.
Itās worked for him, so why change? Surely his own kids feel the same way? He loves them but honestly it feels like he subconsciously adopted the Saiyan method of raising a kid.
Donāt do it yourself. Let them get stronger and fight their own battles.
Goku decided to stay dead after the Cell Games because he felt it was his fault that so many bad guys appeared on Earth. And he did have a point – the saiyans, Frieza, the androids, and Cell. Getting to fight warriors in Otherworld was just a plus and probably something he said so his loved ones wouldn’t worry about him. He would have plenty to do. Besides, it’s not like he knew Chi Chi was pregnant at the time. He he had no clue whatsoever.
As for Gohan fighting Cell. Gohan was literally the ONLY one who could defeat Cell. Goku knows full well that his son wants to be a scholar and used that to encourage him. That way after the battle was over, his son could have a future and live to do what he wants.
And it’s not like Goku was thrilled and happy to see his son get thrashed. This is why I hate the anime potrayal of this fight – it shows Goku smiling throughout the whole thing, but in the manga this just really isn’tthe case. He was clearly worried.
Gohan had to be pushed beyond his limit and to anger, otherwise he wouldn’t have fought back.
And it’s not like Cell would just be okay and call of the Cell Games. He had every intention to kill everyone and destroy Earth if he wasn’t stopped. Again, Gohan was the only hope.
As for Kid Buu. Goku had every intention to use IT to save everyone else after he saved Hercule and Dende, but there wasn’t enough time. And idk why you say Goku showed no emotion. He was visiblyupset.
Finally, once again, Goku knows full well that Gohan wants to be a scholar, but I don’t exactly blame him if he may have thought otherwise because look at Gohan’s behavior throughout the series – he came back out of his own free will, after Goku sent him and Krillin away, to fight Vegeta. He wanted to go to Planet Namek, and hewanted to train everytime against the androids. This is also true of Goten, that on some level, he enjoyed fighting when he was a kid. I mean, he and Trunks always rushed off to check out what was going on when they sensed great power levels; they always wanted to stay and watch the fights. Plus, as Gotenks, you can’t tell me they didn’t enjoy fighting. So, that is some pretty mixed messages right there. Gohan wants to be a scholar, but on the other hand, he can have fun fighting (e.g. He was impatient to wait his turn on Babidi’s ship)
As for Goku leaving the fate of the world’s hand onto the next generation. To be honest, although dangerous, that is actually realistic and healthy. His kids and his friends cannot depend on him all their lives. They have to become independant and be able to look after themselves. It may seem selfish and harsh, but this is the truth.
Goku won’t be around forever. He knows this. For all intents and purposes, Goku shouldn’t have lived again after Cell. Even the dragon balls have limits.
And let’s be real. In this series, bad guys will always pop up eventually. What will happen on the day Goku has passed away and won’t be able to come back and help? Eventually, he will stay dead, no exception, and no chance of returning to Earth. It will be permanent one day (just like in Mirai Trunks’ timeline).
Thus, it’s best everyone else be ready. Yes, it’s hard and such a heavy burden to carry, but I mean, that is why people like Krillin and Gohan go back to training so they will be strong to protect their loved ones. They do it because they want to. They want to be strong to protect that they hold precious. Again, they can’t expect Goku to be around forever. They can’t always count on him to save them (e.g. He was powerless against Cell, Beerus, etc).
Goku may seem like a simple character who is irresponsible and merely loves fighting, but that just isn’t the case. He is actually a really smart and complex character when you take off your meme goggles and really look at this series deeply and all the evidence in the manga.
Vegeta and Goku`s like I gotta protect this young buck.
What a beautiful scene. Seeing these great warriors side by side fighting and helping each other. I felt so proud of them, like I was their family. These were amazing moments of Dragon Ball Super episode 120.
I have been looking forward to a moment like this, when all 3 of them are together. Fighting as a team since the Tournament started, it`s about time I got it, and boy it was good. Go Universe 7 Saiyan fighters!
Scrapped the old post as someone finally got me the source: This is actually from the NEW Q&A Toriyama did. He covers a few things about the series, such as what exactly is needed to go Super Saiyan, how the Super Saiyan God fits into the series, and a little on Saiyan hierarchy.
The Super Saiyan bit is interesting to me. This explanation explains a few things, such as why it was easier for Vegeta to transform after having spent time on Earth (and after the whole Freeza vendetta was no longer eating at him) yet harder for him to achieve than Goku. Might be why he never managed to reach SSJ3. It also explains why Goten and Trunks managed to attain it so easily, and why the Universe 6 Saiyans are able to do so easily as well. Heck, given this description, it could even possibly be why Kale has a unique form.
The second bit is a bit of history on Super Saiyan God, how thatās theĀ āLegendary Super Saiyanā referred to by Freeza and Saiyan legend (take THAT, Broly!)Ā and on why the ritual was needed to first take the form. (Note: this actually flies in the face of Toyotaro having given Vegeta the form without need of said ritual, buuutā¦) Apparently the original who lead the rebellion against the Royal Family was a Saiyan named Yamoshi. Spin-off one-shot when?
And finally, on Saiyan hierarchy. Most of it is what we already knew, but the bit on Infiltration Babies and Engineers is interesting. It seems that Raditz, while considered a low-class warrior in terms of ranking, at least qualified to be a warrior. Goku was considered trash by Vegeta and Saiyan society in that, his power was deemed low enough that he was to be an outcast, likely either doomed to be in a support role, or sent off to become an infiltration baby, which is how Bardock got away with sending him off.
Whatās interesting about that, however, is that it means the reason Raditz came to get him (and the reason he tried to force Goku to kill the people of Earth) was actually due to Gokuās tenure as an Infiltration Baby was intended to be a Trial by Combat. Theyāre sent to these planets to have to fight for survival and to carry out the cleansing of that world, and only then can they return to their homeworld a warrior. Raditz demanding Goku slaughter at least X amount of humans before coming with him was Raditz trying to enforce this rite of passage on his little brother.
So thatās some pretty interesting info, I think. (Source 1) (Source 2)
DRAGON BALL SUPER 111: JirenĀ outright humiliates goku
DRAGON BALL SUPER 112: Toppo pressed the goku button
āYou may have invaded my mind and my body⦠but thereās one thing a Saiyan always keeps: his pride!ā ā Vegeta, when Babidi tries to control his mind.Ā
āNever forget your Saiyan Pride!ā ā¦Ā āItās our strenghtā – Vegeta teaches cabba about saiyan pride.
Jiren just disrespect Goku in his face and Toppo destroyed Vegeta with his comment. The Saiyans are a prideful warrior race, with strong ideals, discipline and force of will. Part of the saiyan natureĀ is to always strive to be stronger and to push the limits of their strength.
The pride troopers are getting way too cocky, I didnt like how they were mocking and humiliating Goku and Vegeta. I hope theyāll be eating humble pie before the end of the tournament xDĀ
For the past few hours was watching Kai subbed and this exchange between Gohan and Goku in the nep killed me. Of course, Gohan is feeling guilty over his father’s death. Just the way he spoke was so full of emotion, but what Goku said is what really got me because it is so true.