like,, i know oswald cobblepot is kind of a giant murdery crab and is mean to ivy and literally everyone else but,,, how can u not just,,,, Love Him with Every Part of U

Literally me, but in a way I think I understand why he is being especially cold. I mean, this is after he froze the man that he loves, the man who tried to destroy him in every way possible, and kill him. Oswald has always been strong and a survivor, able to easily see through any manipulation people try to throw at him, however, when it came to Ed. He couldn’t. Love weakened him.

I can’t imagine how painful it must be for him to realize and think that one of the people he cared so much about could never love him back, but also hurt him so much, in such a way, that he could not see coming.

So, of course he’s decided to squash down his emotions and likely not want to get close to anyone ever again – be it friendship, romantically, emotionally, etc. Why? Because experience has taught him that such a thing only leads to pain, betrayal, and death.

It also makes me wonder if these wounds come from early in his childhood? “Don’t listen to the other children. You’re handsome and clever. And one day you will be a great man.” This is what his mother would tell him. And we all know how hurtful bullying and the like can be. It’s a no wonder why Oswald may be shutting down his emotios and connection with others. Not to mention this is Gotham. Everyone will always trample and kill you to get what they want. Manipulate you. Use you. Play you like a fool. Even people you thought were your friends. So, again this is like reaffirmation that people will only hurt you. Thus, things like trust and frienship is fleeting. Much less things like love. It’s a weakness to be exploited.

That’s not to excuse his behavior, especially towards Ivy, but I think looking at things from this perspective and psychologically may explain why he is being cold to her. If such emotional connection only leads to deep hurt, then it isn’t worth to risk it and put yourself in any danger.

vampirebillionaire:

justgotham:

Robin Lord Taylor at the Tribeca TV Festival

@schemingminor asked about the nygmobblepot question, so for people on mobile/who can’t hear or watch it for whatever reason:

“Penguin is clearly not over Ed – what can you tease about the relationship this season?”

“First of all, I can tease that, again, it’s never over in Gotham City. Not… I’m just saying, in terms of relating to each other, they are always gonna be nemeses or friends, there’s no in-between for the two of them. All I can say is that both Ed and Oswald are very much changed after what happened between the two of them, they’re both just, in their lives they’re different, and I think going forward the way that they have both changed is going to teach each other something about the other one that they didn’t know. So they’re still part of each other’s lives, but whether or not they come out on the good side remains to be seen.”

justgotham:

Ben McKenzie Interview on Live with Kelly and Ryan 2017

I love how even Ben says Penguin stops at certain points and even has limits when it comes to crime and such

Given this new article here are my thoughts

Gotham season 4 premiere “Pax Penguina” sets off a new era for the city as Penguin lowers crimes but uses a controversial method that makes the Gordon and the GCPD look useless. Here’s a few non-spoiler teasers ahead of the episode!

The start of Gotham season 4 kicks off three months ahead of the season 3 finale. The city has had time to get over the attacks of the virus from Alice Tetch’s blood. There’s a brand new mayor, Penguin is back in charge over the gangs and criminals, and Gordon is still as broody as ever.

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You guys have no idea how happy I am that Oswald is finally going to get Gordon for all the one sided, selfish, just taking, ungrateful ‘partnership’ they had. Seriously. I used to really like Jim, but the way he has always treated Oswald irked me to no end. Will forever say that Oswald was so helpful and kind, never asking for anything in return, at least in the beginning before Ozzie started to see what a douche Jim was.

So seeing that it looks like in ep.1 he will be at the top of his game like always, at least in this regard is just

If this is the case, I honestly cannot wait for Penguin to take Jim down a few pegs.

I mean honestly, idk wtf is Jim’s problem with Ozzie. He acts like Penguin is the bane amd to blame for all his hardships and troubles. Like man, get your head out of your ass. You have faced far worse villains that have made you really suffer than Penguin ever did. I really can’t recall a time Oswald truly did anything malicious to Jim so like???? Tf Jim!!

Again, which is why I am so glad that Pengy is going to start to make moves against him.

When Oswald finally started to stand up to Jim, I was so glad.

Just look at him in this top gif. No longer letting himself be intimated by this selfish dochebag. It’s why he started to make Jim owe him favors because Oswald was very selfless and risked so much to help him and for what? Nothing. No real thank you or gratitude. I mean Jim is always willing to throw Oswald away, give him up to be killed without batting an eye, letting him rot in Arkham. Just urghhhh.

I think our bird had it right when he said:

(Now, I just started watching season 3 and I do know that the Tech Virus releases a person’s darkest hidden desires and that Jim becomes infected. From my understanding and spoilers that I’ve seen, Ozzie’s gang had the antidote, but this idiot kills Fish destroying it).

I mean, Jim himself admits that he’s a monster.

And don’t even get me started on how because of him, Fish dies in Oswald’s arms. Another loved one. Dying in his arms. Just GOD.

It’s just really Jim? Really? Time and time again we have seen Jim want to give in to his dark side and in early s3, idk, but he seems to turn into an even more selfish and carless guy. Just *angry silent screaming*

And wow. Sorry. Idk how this turned into a anti Jim post apparently. Seriously, I could go on and list everytime Jim was a selfish, inconsiderate, douche to Oswald, but back to the top.

This is why I am so glad Ozzie will finally start to get Jim back for all the grief he has put him through.

Me to Oswald:

I’m rooting for u Ozzie! Go get em’!

‘Gotham’ EP Reveals Jerome Will Have A Partner in Crime This Season

schemingminor:

mymycorrhizae:

justgotham:

If you were worried about Jerome falling out of favor in Gotham, it turns out you have nothing to be worried about.

Jerome’s made quite the impression on fans since his Gothamdebut, but last season he took things to a new level of deranged and weird, probably resulting in some early therapy bills for Bruce Wayne. For Gotham season 4, executive producer John Stephens teased he won’t be working solo for much longer.

“You’re totally gonna see him this year,” Stephens told ComicBook.com. “You’re gonna see him in a new position this year, and he’s gonna form an alliance with a character who he has not been near at any time soon.”

Some would assume that might be a tease for Harley Quinn, but that is not the case. In season 4, Jerome will be aligning with someone Gotham fans have become quite fond of, the Penguin of crime himself.

“Essentially, we’re gonna see him and Oswald Cobblepot come closer,” Stephens teased.“

So in other words, don’t expect Bruce’s first forays into crime fighting to get any less difficult.

That is especially true once you consider that Bruce isn’t just facing down villains like Jerome, Solomon Grundy, and the Penguin. Bruce will also come into confrontation with Gotham’s other defenders, including Jim Gordon.

“At the same time, Bruce Wayne is going to go out there and start operating as a vigilante wearing a mask,” Stephens told DC All Access. “And then moving forward after that, Jim Gordon will realize that this vigilante is operating out there in Gotham somewhere and he goes ‘I’m going to hunt that guy down’ and we have Jim Gordon and a masked Bruce Wayne going head to head.”

While the two eventually come to be allies in the comics, it might be awhile before that relationship forms in the television series. Bruce will have to deal with danger coming from all sides, but considering who he turns out to be, he seems like he’s going to be just fine.

I have so many mixed feelings about this. I’m glad they’re bring Jerome back. In my opinion, Robin and Cameron are the two best actors on the show so I can imagine that their scenes together will be really entertaining to watch. Both characters have such huge personalities, so their interactions should be really interesting. But at the same time, I’m disappointed because it seems clear that this is who Robin was referring to in his FlameCon interviews. I kind of feel like Oswald in that scene from 3×11 when Ed tells him he wants to be more than friends and then is like “I meant business partners”. So it looks like there is no new love interest after all.

Considering that Penguin has a more shaky alliance with Joker in most forms of Batman lore, he still seems to loathe and fear his chaotic unpredictability and only barely tolerates him. If anything, Penguin is more like the shaky stabilizer between the opposing Joker and Riddler in these incarnations, and maybe Gotham might build upon this lore? Riddler and Joker seem to absolutely loathe each other, so perhaps this might be a reason or conflict for Edward when he sees Oswald yet again, and perhaps Oz might use Ed to rid himself of Jerome since and if when he oversteps his boundaries. It seems that Oswald is working with extreme personalities this season like proto-Joker Jerome and Zsasz, something that most definitely won’t bite him in the ass, nope.

If they decide to do a callback to ‘66 Batman then they might have Jerome, Ed and Oz work together which would prove interesting and a cool prequel to the Rogues’ gatherings.

mymycorrhizae:

mymycorrhizae:

Oswald in the season 4 trailer.

#but you were ok with Falcone back in s1 #and apparently still willing to do deals there #goddammit Jim #don’t make me cross before the season starts (@sunlitroom)

right??? Also, remember that when Oswald was mayor, crime was way down and the economy was doing great.

It really does seem that Jim thinks Oswald is the cause of all his problems or something. I mean Oswald has helped him out so many times and really only asked him to do something bad like once since Jim would just take and take and not respect Oswald at all or treat him nice.

Not only that, but I just started rewatching season 2, ad there are far worse villains there who have actually made Jim suffer and given him a beatdown. Why he seems to hate Oswald so much, I just can’t even???? He needs to get his self righteous head out of his ass, if you ask me!!

Source: mymycorrhizae

undeclaredmilk:

*SCREAMING*

‘Gotham’: Get a First Look at Gordon’s Potential New Love Interest

destielfourever:

sunlitroom:

themasterplanner:

justgotham:

Jim Gordon’s love life is about as complicated as the politics of Gotham City. And although Lee (Morena Baccarin) surely won’t stay out of Gotham for long, her decision to leave town in the season 3 finale is one of many factors that will see Jim (Ben McKenzie) going down a “dark path” when the show returns. Another factor? Jim’s career.

“We’re going to see Jim make, in some ways, big steps toward I guess what you would call the commissionership,” executive producer John Stephens tells EW. “But also we’re going to see Jim, in his quest to save the city, cross different ethical lines than he ever did before. It’s going to bring him to an ethical nadir that we haven’t seen him at, and it’s going to be told through the context of a relationship that he has with Sofia Falcone, the daughter of Don Falcone, who’s played by Crystal Reed this year. And that’s going to be a really compelling and interesting relationship.”

EW has an exclusive first look at Gordon’s latest potential love interest above.

?????

I don’t see how Carmine would ever be on board with this.

I can only assume – as Alfred might say – that they’re going to stitch Jim up nicely.

Hopefully it ends quick. With Carmine smacking the heck out of Jim. Just….ugh.

‘Gotham’: Get a First Look at Gordon’s Potential New Love Interest

thatdiscovampirething:

serenwib:

(Source – x.)

On the one hand it’s like, show, no, don’t ruin my ship. But, on the other, it’s like 20 fic ideas of how much of a dick Jim would have had to be for Harvey not to have his back…

I’m kind of hoping that this translates to Harvey being like “Things are actually kinda stable in this city for the first time in three years, could you maybe not fuck with that just because you think Penguin is like, the avatar of why your life sucks?”

Gotham: Penguin And Riddler’s Relationship Will Be Dramatically Different In Season 4

mymycorrhizae:

justgotham:

The honeymoon period is over for Penguin and the Riddler on Gotham.

Things went south for the villainous friends when they turned on each other in Gotham’s third season. However, Nygma is free of Mr. Freeze’s ice block in season four and that’s putting Oswald Cobblepot on edge.

“We know that Ed escapes and that is an extremely terrifyingmoment for Oswald because, again, Oswald when he’s at his lowest its when he has no control,“ Robin Lord Talor tells ComicBook.com. “Nygma is the only person who could meet Oswald on his level in terms of intellect and cunning. Now that he cannot control him anymore it’s terrifying and threatening to him.”

Even though they may be rivals now, there will always be a lingering respect from their time working together that influences how they treat each other.

“I think that there will always be respect between the characters,” Cory Michael Smith says. “I think their relationship was so personal and intimate, I don’t know that there’s another character that understood Ed the way that Oswald did and I think vice versa. So I think there’s such a connection there and such a fear of the other and a respect of the other that that will constantly be there.”

However, the Riddler who returns in Gotham’s fourth season isn’t necessarily the same Riddler who worked with Penguin during season three. Fans will see how that influences their dynamic when Gotham returns on Sept. 21.

The title of this article doesn’t really match up with the content. How will it be “dramatically different”? Also, the idea that Oswald is going to be terrified when Ed escapes is so weird to me. I mean Ed was on the loose and trying to kill Oswald in 3b, but I don’t think Oswald was ever “terrified”. Anyway I’m looking forward to seeing what Ed 3.0 (4.0? 5.0? who knows, I’ve lost count of his personality shifts at this point) is like.

Yeah, it seems weird that Oswald would be ‘terrified’ of Ed. I mean c’mon we all know him, and how much of a clever survivor and badass he is.

Well, I guess we’ll see. Please Gotham writers don’t screw this up

Gotham: Penguin And Riddler’s Relationship Will Be Dramatically Different In Season 4