enigmatickal:

transedwardnigma:

Presenting….The Use ofĀ ā€˜Freak’ in Gotham (so far)

Lisa and I have been talking about this for months (especially regarding it’s pejorative queer-coded use) and I have (finally) collected every (as of 4×03) reference

to someone in Gotham being called a freak or being described as one:

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Unsurprisingly Oswald and Strange’s Monsters are called freak the most, with Azrael, Bridgit, and Ed tied for second place.Ā 

The only people to self identify as a freak are Ivy and Oswald.Ā 

Cops are the biggest users of the word, accounting for almost 1/3 of these (and Bullock accounting for more than half of those).Ā Ā 

None of Strange’s Monsters are ever referred to directly as freak. Oswald is referred to directly 3 times, and Bridgit and Ed are referred to directly 2 times.Ā 

Freak is used almost exclusively used for villains and true to comics, villains of a particular type. Even when Fish has powers, she’s wasn’t called a freak, and Mafiosi are never freaks, only masked villains (to quote Harvey ā€œanother freak in a mask, awesomeā€) and those with super abilities. (Which makes Oswald here so interesting since in the comics he’s much closer to a gangster type, and in Gotham too, than the freakish masked villain type, hence the queer-coded pejorative discussion. Ogden Barker calls Oswald a freak immediately after referring to him as a ā€œfruitcake leprechaun so… And both Ed and Oswald end up killing someone in reaction to being called a freak)

There’s a ton more info in the document (including the full line, who said it, if at was said directly, and if it was a self identification) which can be found hereĀ but this feels like enough to be getting on with. And I’ll update the list as we go through s4,Ā 

[*] at the beginning of the quote means the line refers to more than one person and has been entered again separately for each personĀ 

[Tagging @foreverdelayed and @enigmatickal]

@transedwardnigma thank you! this is really interesting.Ā 

oswald gets called a freak even more than i’d thought, poor thing. no wonder he uses it for himself – likeĀ ā€˜penguin’, sometimes it’s better to take a word for yourself to lessen the sting and take back some power. i’m sad they haven’t followed through with the whole freak family thing so far this season for exactly that reason; it was such a nice idea. and i 100% agree about the whole queercoding thing.

(also, it doesn’t surpise me at all that harvey is the one calling people freaks most of the time. that kind of thing seems to be his shtick.)

I’m worried about the low ratings, and I can’t watch on Thursdays nights when Gotham airs. I don’t want the show to get cancelled, any suggestions on how to help it?

justgotham:

Fox will usually have the latest episode ready to watch on its site, you can watch it there, along with other sites like Amazon and Hulu. The main Fox Site and Hulu have been recommended as the best choices for this.

If you cannot watch when the show airs, you can always tweet and tag the main Gotham twitter account (@Gotham) when you do get a chance to watch it. Be sure to mention what episode you’re watching.Ā 

If you’re worried about the show being cancelled, it cannot hurt to tweet at the Gotham twitter account, and say how much you enjoy the show and hope to see more seasons. If 140 characters aren’t enough, you can always type out what want to say, take a screen shot and post that instead.

Also consider tagging the twitter accounts for Fox (@foxtv), DC Comics (@DCComics) and Warner Brothers Television (@warnerbrostv) and using a hashtag like #Gotham or #GothamFans or #GothamSeason4

Twitter is the best platform for getting the message across as it’s the
easiest to track for television shows by use of hashtags.Ā 

As for the message: be positive, be focused, be succinct and mention how much you are enjoying what Fox and Gotham are providing for you. Mention characters, plot lines, specifics show that you are earnestly watching and enjoying. And if you have time and space, mention how much you’d love to see more after Season 4 concludes.

crazyquilt:

endless-nygmobblepot:

Oswald being cynical about the women in Ed’s life

#oswald cobblepot aka the penguin#nygmobblepot#oswald does not share#(and oswald with kristen’s glasses?? this is the second time theyve met and just???)#(did baby bird have a thing for ed all the way back then??)#(a cute murderer who not only saved him and is nursing him back to health but also admires him??? oswald never stood a chance)#i really thought he was going to call myrtle a ā€˜harlot’#oswald literally telling everyone with ears how much he loves ed#its the worst kept secret of gotham#next to ed’s own boner for oswald#these nerds and their goddamn feelings

sexy-psycho-killer:

thatdiscovampirething:

I feel like someone with more patience than me could do a whole essay on Gotham’s use of food and eating in relation to life and death and relationships…

It would probably end up being largely Oswald centric, but there’s a pretty strong thread there with Ed too…

Oswald killed two people for sandwiches (admittedly it was a secondary motive the second time but still, he did very much stab a dude then buy a sandwich with the money he looted off the corpse), and got his second chance in the underworld via a job at a restaurant. He poisons his co-conspirators with cannoli, and eats an apple while watching a guy get tortured for information. He makes a sandwich in Loeb’s kitchen as a power display, and when he’s lost everything it’s stealing another sandwich from Ed’s corpse-burying picnic that leads to him being saved. In Arkham he’s beaten up over ice cream, and in his brainwashed state he brings the trio cupcakes as a peace offering. Grace insults his mother’s recipes and shortly thereafter he serves her her own children butchered and roasted…

Then there’s Ed – with his mildly creepy food offerings to Kristen (cupcake with a bullet in it, watermelon left over from where he was testing a theory on how a guy’s skull got caved in…), and his gourmet cooking and advanced fondue knowledge. Plus you have the fact that his dark half hid Kristen’s hand in a snack machine and the… creepy as fuck song chosen to accompany that whole thing on the soundtrack comparing women to literal pieces of meat.Ā 

And of course Nygmobblepot is basically built on Chinese take out, spicy mustard and ginger tea…

Side note; I think I’ve mentioned it before but there’s a LOT of cannibalism in season 2. Like, three unrelated Arkham inmates, plus Eduardo Flamingo, plus Oswald getting his Titus Andronicus on with his step siblings… it’s a thing.

That’s not even all of it, and there’s plenty more with other characters, but yeah. Food in Gotham, it’s a topic.

This may not be that good of an addition, butĀ psychologically speaking, when eating food, your brain unconsciously registers that you are safe/relaxed, as you would not be eating if you were panicked. That’s one of the reasons people ā€˜comfort eat’ and whatnot.Ā So in a nutshell, when people see/eat food, they feel safe.

It is clear that Oswald’s mother is the only person in his whole life that have loved him and cared for him, and has kept him safe, and it’s I think it’s fair to assume that as an Eastern European woman, Mrs. Kappleput offering food to guests is a sign of good faith and welcoming.Ā This is usually known as offeringĀ ā€˜Bread and salt’. With Oswald’s loyalty and love towards his mother, it is likely he would also see food offering as a way of showing people his welcoming attitude. It is always a way to flaunt wealth, but considering Oswald doesn’t really care about money, I doubt that that is his objective.

But being the prick he is, he uses this fake use of trust as a way to attack his enemies before they even know they are his enemies, mainly referring to the cannoli scene.

Secondly, gaining a job as a dish washer to gain access to Maroni, was probably more motivated by the fact that he could blend a lot more easily into the background as a dishwasher, so he could slither his way up Maroni’s gang. That being said, Although Oswald has no direct link to the food, he is using the psychology ofĀ ā€˜I am safe when I eat’. When Maroni and his gang are sitting, eating, and discussing their plans, they are not in a state of alert, allowing Os to be there without gaining their unwanted attention.

Also, just to point out, (not that I know from experience), but sometimes fighting and being shot and shoved into a lake and travelling makes you hungry. You ever see that snickers ad? ā€˜You’re not you when you’re hungry’. That describes Oswald. Plus, as mentioned, food = safety/relaxation, this can show his state of casualness. Especially in a position of power, eating is a hell of a lot more intimidating. ie. ā€œThis crazy person is casually eating an apple while I am here scared out of my mind and shitting my pants… If that’s him at casual, I don’t wanna see him angry.ā€

And on that note, I believe you are completely right about the power play while making a sandwich at Leob’s. As I did mention before, offering food is a sign of wealth and greeting, but when someone comes in and takes it… It undermines Leob’s status as an authority figure, and a man of wealth, stealing both of those things from him in the swift motion of making a sandwich (and I’m sure Victor holding a gun to Leob’s head probably had something to do with that too).

In Arkham, when he is given ice cream, this is directly after he’s been tortured, so he clearly wasn’t in the right state of mind, as was intended to show. This would be the first time (I’m going to assume) that Oswald’s offering of food has ended with him getting hurt. Being genuinelyĀ kind did not go well for Oswald; being kind is not who he is supposed to be.

Once he meets his father, and he has dinner with hisĀ ā€˜new family’, it brings back that sense of security and safety for Oswald. Even after his father dies, he still continues to cook as to be a part of the illusion of that safe family environment. He even uses a recipe that his mother would have made.Ā Since he’s already gained her trust by having already cooked multiple meals, it makes it easy to get his revenge by messing with the food- something that he has clearly already done before. Oswald was able to have a taste of what life would have been with his father before he died, so why not show his step-mother what her children taste like before she dies šŸ˜‰

So it comes full circle: Oswald growing up with his mother’s cooking, a woman that would’ve used food as a gesture of good faith, and, when grown up, Oswald uses that facade of good faith to murder or maim (via the food or not), or uses other’s phycological belief that they are safe when eating, and strikes when their guard is down.

I know this isn’t the best essay, and most of it is just personal opinion and observation (and it is nearly 12am, and I’m tired as heck), but when you mentioned about Oswald and food, I thought that was a very interesting subject to bring up. Ed on the other hand, I think is just a crazy motherfucker (Also, too tired to analyse his crazy food ethics right now). But I hope you gain a little enjoyment and/or insight šŸ™‚ Please add to or correct anything I have said.

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freckledandspectacled:

freckledandspectacled:

irisamelia:

freckledandspectacled:

Further reactions to the preview:

ā€œKristen is the one person who like, floods him with this history of who he used to be and what he used to want, and he can’t help but be like, consumed by what could potentially be a second chance.ā€

Cory says that Isabella brings Edward back to who he was before he killed Kristen. Yet Edward has repeatedly said that he likes who he is now, and he is certainly ā€œhitting his strideā€ working for Oswald. Cory has said that Edward enjoys working for Penguin and has fun manipulating things in his favor, it’s literally the perfect job for him.

He has everything he wants.

Going off of that, when Ed said ā€œwhat more could anyone ask forā€ to Oswald I feel like he was saying it too, y’know? He is just so happy where he is right now.

I think that he truly does not want to go back to who he was, but I also think that he’s going to explore the possibility and entertain the idea for the time being with Isabella anyway. This is because he wants to be sure that Oswald- and a life of Riddlesā„¢ Ā and Crimeā„¢ – are what he truly wants

Which, I mean, DUH. He’s gonna become The Riddler, of course he doesn’t want Isabella and what she represents. She is a kind of metaphor for what Edward used to want, and where he wanted it from: love, praise, and acceptance from peers. He still wants those things, those feelings, but he is receiving them from a different source. Right now, he is getting what he truly desires more than anything from Oswald, and through more nefarious means than Kristen (ā€˜normalcy’) offered.

TD;DR Ed is getting closure from his old life by using Isabella. This is part of his his journey to becoming The Riddler; he needs to completely leave Kristen and everything she represents behind in order to fully commit. But this is Gotham so of course it’s going to go horribly wrong šŸ™‚

gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh *crying*

-pats your head-
I know… I know…

Fuck… it went horribly wrong, just like I thought when she was first introduced.

As in Ed didn’t let go of her through a conscious decision; Oswald made the decision for him

He is getting closer to becoming the Riddler

Hopefully he will realize that Oswald still satisfies what he needs most šŸ™