Tag: oswald cobblepot

thatdiscovampirething:

Okay, so…

I haven’t seen episode 2 yet, but I’ve heard that Ivy apparently hates Oswald now, and that he had it coming because he’s been being a dick to her, and I have a few thoughts on that.

People have been saying that Oswald doesn’t learn his lessons and keeps getting stuck in the same patterns, and yeah, there’s definite merit to that, but my take on it is that he mostly just keeps picking the wrong parts of his experiences to learn from.

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And it really is so sad and such a hard lesson to learn when you’ve been put down time and time again. I personally know EXACTLY how Oswald feels and I really have wanted to just shut off any sort of compassion and trust for that same reason because the end result is always too risky and painful, but like you said it just doesn’t work. No matter how much one may hate the idea of getting close to people for fear of betrayal and hurt, it’s just impossible to do. As human beings we’re social creatures who need interaction and help to survive. And yeah it sucks. It really does. Especially when you have suffered and lost precious people like Ozzie has.

Ultimatley, Oswald does need to learn to get past this. But after, no doubt, so many years of being put down and stomped on, and especially since this seems to stem from early childhood too, it will be really difficult. Changing such a mindset will take a lot of work. Months and years even, depending on how deep the hurt and wounds extend. Though it doesn’t just come down to Oswald in doing all the work. He also needs other people by his side who can see and understand this. To help him through this and help him realize this. Of course, people willing to be patient and really understand, without judging or leaving is really hard to find. Especially in a place like Gotham.

I know Oswald during this time will yeah, be shitty likely, and try to push others harder away, but others have to understand his point of view and remain firm and stay by his side. Again patience and comprehension is important. Especially loyalty. Then maybe they can start to change his views.

I really hope we can see Oswald grow as a character and come back stronger once he realizes this, while still being the adorable and cunning bird we love.

Gotham 4×02

I have got to remember not to take anything people say and whine about at face value. This ep was good like last week, once again.

I know people are most upset about Penguin being mean to Ivy, and yes I can see why, but I mean let’s be honest. This is Gotham. The place is a literal piece of shit. No one ever respects anyone. Everyone will always back stab you. If you want respect and recognition you have to work for it. Either through allies or on your own. I mean this is how Penguin has risen time and time again. Ivy, is now doing this. I mean I can’t count the number of times everyone has been direspectful to other characters when they didn’t deserve it *looks at jim and harvey always running their mouths*

Of course, this gives Oswald no right to act the way he did, and honestly seems dumb to me in terms of writing in a way??? I mean c’mon, this is Penguin. He knows how to survive, how to manipulate, how to stay on top. He should know that being on good terms with his allies is good thinking. So then wtf is this??? Just seems like a sloppy way to tear Oswald and Ivy apart.

And idk, but in terms of verbally shutting down his colleauges, I can’t really recall anything this brutal like with Ivy. He always sasses people, but mainly to his enemies and the people who have treated him like shit. I mean, Zsasz is with Oswald a lot right? He doesn’t seem to have anything against him. And I know Gabe was mad at Ozzie for passing him over, but he was never verbally abusive. Nor with Butch from what I remember? So then wtf is going on with him and Ivy??? Either Ivy screwed up something causing Penguin to lose respect in her possibly or he’s just being shitty. If it’s the latter, writers I swear!!!Someone please correct me on this if I’m wrong. Guess, we’ll have to wait and see Fries and Bridgit to really see.

Other than the disaster with Ivy. It was good. I love how Ozzie is on top, especially against Barbara. And seeing Jonathan against Jim had me just smiling wide. Should be obvious who I was rooting for there. coughscarecrowcough

All in all, Oswald is still and will always be my fave. He better prepare for the war that is coming!! Especially against Ivy!! C’mon Ozzie!!! You got this!!

Taylor stopped on the red carpet first to discuss details about the trajectory of his character, Oswald Cobblepot, who’s most commonly known as The Penguin. “When we left last year, Penguin was resolved to never trust, or give his heart to, anyone again. He just cut himself off emotionally” from the rest of the title city’s residents. “Every time he’s opened himself up, someone has hurt him terribly. So this year, he’s acting with that idea in mind.”

But the actor also pointed out that “there are so many forces that are working against him that he can’t see. It’s known that he does have a weakness, which is that deep down, he is a compassionate person. There are always people in Gotham City who are willing to exploit that. You’ll have to tune in to watch whether or not he turns out on top!”

Robin Lord Taylor on Oswald Cobblepot’s weakness for love being exploited in S4. (via languageofbirds)
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coughdropwizard:

like,, i know oswald cobblepot is kind of a giant murdery crab and is mean to ivy and literally everyone else but,,, how can u not just,,,, Love Him with Every Part of U

Literally me, but in a way I think I understand why he is being especially cold. I mean, this is after he froze the man that he loves, the man who tried to destroy him in every way possible, and kill him. Oswald has always been strong and a survivor, able to easily see through any manipulation people try to throw at him, however, when it came to Ed. He couldn’t. Love weakened him.

I can’t imagine how painful it must be for him to realize and think that one of the people he cared so much about could never love him back, but also hurt him so much, in such a way, that he could not see coming.

So, of course he’s decided to squash down his emotions and likely not want to get close to anyone ever again – be it friendship, romantically, emotionally, etc. Why? Because experience has taught him that such a thing only leads to pain, betrayal, and death.

It also makes me wonder if these wounds come from early in his childhood? “Don’t listen to the other children. You’re handsome and clever. And one day you will be a great man.” This is what his mother would tell him. And we all know how hurtful bullying and the like can be. It’s a no wonder why Oswald may be shutting down his emotios and connection with others. Not to mention this is Gotham. Everyone will always trample and kill you to get what they want. Manipulate you. Use you. Play you like a fool. Even people you thought were your friends. So, again this is like reaffirmation that people will only hurt you. Thus, things like trust and frienship is fleeting. Much less things like love. It’s a weakness to be exploited.

That’s not to excuse his behavior, especially towards Ivy, but I think looking at things from this perspective and psychologically may explain why he is being cold to her. If such emotional connection only leads to deep hurt, then it isn’t worth to risk it and put yourself in any danger.