Hey Anon! And yep, from the moment a demon who shape-shifted into idk how many animalsâŠ
can have intercourse with humans
then Shinigamis who originally are humans should be able to as well. đ
As for the âbut theyâre deadâ part, well yeah, but we donât know exactly what their condition is (Iâll elaborate below) and furthermore, they have primary needs like sleeping and eating so why not other needs?Â
Itâs kinda illustrated by Grell having the hots for several guys so far or even Ronald with most women actually, so to me it seems Shinigamis can feel attraction towards humans, which means they can surely be aroused and seek physical intimacy as a result.
Being able to have sex =/= being able to have kids: thatâs a different debate.Â
Just in case you were asking with this in mind though, I want to precise that personally I think itâs possible for Shinigamis to have kids (so for example, I believe that the UT = Cedric theory is a possibility) because the Shinigamis arenât exactly âdeadâ, the way final death is meant to be in Kuroshitsuji.
A human being is defined by two parts: their cinematic record and their soul. When they die, the CR is stopped by Shinigamis and to remain in the body, while the soul is collected. Thatâs what it means to be dead in Kuroshitsuji.
Now, if you look at UTâs bizarre dolls that are basically undead: they have no soul (because it was collected when they died and UT canât make one from scratch), but they have edited cinematic records which is what makes the corpse mistakenly think itâs still alive.Â
As for Shinigamis, well thatâs the thing: we know they killed themselves so they should be deadâŠ
but it seems they still have their soul and an unstopped cinematic record (otherwise how could they still move, think and feel?), in spite of their peculiar eyes or their ability to teleport, amongst other supernatural things.Â
FurthermoreâŠ
âŠclearly they can actually die for real again if theyâre hit by a death scythe (a death scythe being used to stop a CR and collect the soul, which is why I think they still have both).Â
Becoming a Shinigami is a punishment to humans who took their own life so maybe theyâre not exactly âdeadâ. Maybe, similarly to how some humans can be âjudged worthy to keep on livingâ by Shinigamis when theyâre fated to die, Shinigamis are special cases of â(not really) dead peopleâ.Â
All that to say, if theyâre not exactly dead, then why wouldnât they be able to have kids? Donât get me wrong, we know they have superiors who are most likely scaring the shit out of them and as such, rules to follow were mentioned likeâŠ
âŠbecause Shinigamis are supposed to be âneutral between Gods and humansâ, meaning theyâre not supposed to be meddling with humans and have kids with them (or with other Shinigamis I suppose).Â
As far as UT is concerned though, clearly he fails at being a Shinigami, so him having kids (the UT = Cedric theory) would just be one more broken rule to add to his record. No biggie.Â
TL;DR yes, Shinigamis can most likely have sex with humans and with other Shinigamis.Â
And from the moment theyâre scared to die if stabbed by a death scythe, they might not be exactly dead the way other humans who donât kill themselves are dead, so they might be able to have kids with humans or other Shinigamis, even though it is very probably 100% forbidden (since they are forbidden from meddling with life, death and humans).
I hope it answers your question Anon, sorry for the length! As with everything, itâs just my opinion, no one has to agree!Â
Black Butler has had its fair share of dramatic reveals.  Maybe there is one on the horizon for WilliamâŠ.
*Warning: long post*
There is something quite striking about the
main battle of the Campania arc: Undertaker managed to take down one demon and
two shinigami single-handedly without even breaking sweat, all with a smile on
his face. Â Considering that we havenât seen the last of Undertaker, this
begs the question: who is capable of taking on such a formidable foe?
And
one night, at 3 a.m., something hit me: the crucial issue in Campania was reach.
In boxing, reach is the length from a fighterâs
fingertips to shoulder, i.e. the length of his arm. Â Boxers
with a longer reach have an advantage over those with a shorter reach.
 There are, of course, other factors, (agility, footwork, etc.) but that
was the starting point.
The reach of Undertakerâs scythe is far greater than Grellâs chainsaw and Ronaldâs lawnmower (and Iâm not even going to address a
butter knife at this point.) Â What this means is that Undertaker could
always slash either Ronald or Grell in a head-to-head match, and that is
exactly what happened:
Distracting Undertaker and attacking him from
a different angle was therefore the only possible strategy for Grell, Ronald,
and Sebastian. Â As we saw how well that worked out with Sebastian, as
Undertaker seems to have superior senses than all three:
To add to that, Undertaker is also a master
strategist when it comes to fighting. Â He knows how to use an opponentâs
weakness (Ciel in the case of Sebastian, aiming for the face with Grell,
knocking off glasses for Ronald.) Any opponent who is easily distracted,
angered, or who is protecting someone else isnât going to be able to defeat
him.
Keeping in mind how Undertaker bested Ronald,
Grell, and Sebastian in Campania, what then is needed to take down Undertaker?
I believe it comes down to this:
1.   Â
An opponent with basic superhuman strength and agility
2.   Â
An opponent with a longer reach
3.   Â
An opponent with superior senses
4.   Â
An opponent who can fight strategically
5.   Â
An opponent who has no emotional or physical weakness to exploit
But have we even met someone who meets those
four criteria? Â (You might have figured out where I am going with this
when you read that last oneâŠ.)
Thatâs right, itâs going to be this guy:
Why?
I shall lay out my case for you.
1. Â Strength and
agility
The character guide hints that William might
even be stronger than Sebastian. Â Since Sebastian seemed evenly matched
with Grell from a physical standpoint, it would follow logically that William
is at least as strong as Grell, if not stronger.
If the OVA is any guide, then Will is also
agile enough to take onâand bestâGrell in combat.
His reflexes are also quite goodâin the Circus
arc, he managed to put his glasses on, sit up, and block Sebastian with his
death scythe as soon as Sebastian sat up in bed. And Will was asleep at the
time. Thatâs pretty quick.
2. Reach
This one is so very simple: Williamâs death
scythe allows for long distance attacks. Â It seems to extend quite farâfar
enough for him to reach the ground from atop the roof of a there storey
building. Â Thatâs at least 30 feet! Â He could easily stab or pierce
Undertaker in a vital spot from a very safe distance.
In fact, I think reach will be so important in
the final battle, because Yana actually referred to it as being an important
part of the battle with Undertaker:
Hint, hint: the key to defeating him lies in
neutralizing the advantage he has with the large reach of his scythe.
He could safely stab or pin down Undertaker
from a safe distance as was shown with Angela in Season 1 of the anime:
3. Superior senses
This one might not be as obvious, but there
are hints to be found. Â Right after William is first introduced to us in
the manga and he is then about to take his leave, Sebastian flings Grellâs
chainsaw at the back of his head. Without turning, William catches it between
two fingers, not even flinching.
He therefore was able to sense it coming at
his head, without having to rely on his vision.
Undertaker gained an advantage over Ronald by
removing his glasses from the equation. Â This, however, would pose no
problem for Will. Since he is capable of catching a motorized death scythe thrown
by a demon to the back of his head without even looking, itâs possible that he
doesnât not need to rely on his vision to the extent that Ronald (and perhaps
Grell) do. Â Though he was thrown off track by losing his glasses in the
OVA, I wonder if this is due to his being a rookie at the time. Â Although
anything is possible, I wonder if by now he has become cool and stoic enough to
not be fazed should he lose his glasses in combat with a formidable foe like
Undertaker.
He is also the only shinigami who has spoken
of sensing Sebastian from a distance. Â It is possible that this means that
his senses are then quite highly developed.
4. Â Strategic
fighting ability
We havenât seen Will fight in the manga
proper, but weâve seen him in action in the reaper OVA. Oh, but you might be
sayingâhe almost lost that fight with Grell, didnât he? Â Yes and no.
Analyzing their fight is quite illuminating.
 The first time they come to blows, Grell just flat out knocks him into a
wall, and William does nothing to retaliate. Â However, on their second
fight, Will quickly neutralizes Grell, then after some words, efficiently takes
down Grell in only a few blows. Â What I think is likely is that he learned
Grellâs fighting style from their first encounterâand from this, Will emerged
knowing exactly how to defeat Grell in combat. Â (Whether or not he let
Grell win on purpose so as to understand his opponentâs fighting style is
interesting to think about.) Â As a result, their second fight is over in
secondsâbecause Will knew exactly how to defeat Grell.
 He is therefore a strategic, analytical
fighter, who understands his opponent and who is be able to predict his
opponentâs moves after just one encounter. Â He is no-nonsense, cold,
efficient fighter, and that leads into the last point.
5. Â No weakness
to exploit
For whatever reason, Will appears to be a detached,
stoic person. Â Other than the frustration and annoyance that
his job brings, he rarely shows any emotion, and he often speaks of how emotions
are not a part of a shinigamiâs job. Â Would he be as rattled as Ronald should he lose his glasses in combat? Â Would he be as distractible as
Grell? Â Is he so tied to anyone like Sebastian is? Â To all three points, I donât think
soâWill has no attachments, nothing to hold him back nor anything to be
exploited.
Being cold and distant gives him an advantage against Undertaker in that there is little Undertaker could say or do to ruffle his feathers, so to speak. Â What kinds of things could Undertaker even say to upset him?
 (Iâm sure he could think of somethingâŠ.but wouldnât William just shrug it
off and keep fighting?) Â Where Grell is all talk during their fight in the OVAâWilliam is all action. Â And that cold efficiency would yield a better result when fighting against someone like Undertaker.
And, in addition to all of the above:
In addition to all of these things, Will is
already collecting information on Undertaker, he is aware of the Phantomhives,
and appears to be a generally perceptive and intelligent individual.
 Having knowledge on his side will only help him.
Now just think of how this will all play out
if he faces down Undertaker. Â He has gathered information on the Bizarre
Dolls, so that wonât be a surprise to him. Â He may have asked Grell and
Ronald about the methods Undertaker used to beat them, and therefore he might already have an
understanding of Undertakerâs fighting strategy and has already devised a counter strategy as a result. He has
highly-developed senses, he has reflexes on par with a demon, he understands
how to use strategy to his benefit, and he is coldly focused on his goal.
All of these factors add up so that it may
very well be William T. Spears defeating Undertaker in battle.
We have yet to see Willâs full potentialâand
the reason for this may be that Yana has been saving his pugilistic reveal for
the final showdown between him and Undertaker. Â And given that this manga
loves to subvert our expectations, I think it is altogether possible that
William T. Spears has a few surprises up his sleeve.
If I were Undertaker, Iâd be afraidâŠ..
Letâs also not forget his vast pigeon army
willing to follow his every beck and call! Â Swarm! Â Swarm! Swarm!!!
 Go for the eyes!!!
Thanks are due to @eviltwintheory for helping me sound out these ideas and for providing me with
some points salient to this post.
As much as this post is basically âyes 100%â for me, and goes over in full one of the reasons why I think Will and Undertaker meeting in the manga is kind of inevitable⊠You missed a point. Or rather, you got it wrong. Whether you take it seriously or not, Will has been shown to panic when his glasses are removed in combat and in general.
During season 2 in a fight involving him, Sebastian, and Ronald, Sebastian knocks Willâs glasses off. Will drops everything and begins to ignore Sebastian while searching for his glasses. Arguably this is just the logic of season 2 and is made to correlate with the events of the ova, however, in the most recent seiyuu event something very similar happened.
Lau pinned Will against the wall and took his glasses, and Will was visibly taken off guard by this. He didnât show his usual âfightâ response, his focus went straight to the fact that his glasses had been taken. This wasnât a fight situation, so there was no reason for him to panic as he did in season 2, but it stands regardless that Will likely does not deal well with having his glasses removed, just like Ronald. He freezes up when his glasses are removed unexpectedly. This is canon.
Will seems cool-headed but he has shown himself to be very childish, and very stubborn. That was during his interactions with Ciel and Sebastian during the circus arc, where a lot of Willâs character as the manga presents it was established. You may also note that when he got out his scythe to work against Sebastian, having been asleep, he still put his glasses on first. Like. Why, Will. Why. Willâs nervous habit even centralizes around his glasses.
As a reaper, they are one of the most significant pieces of his identity, and as a person their loss is tied to past trauma from his ova.
Will would most likely be able to ignore anything and everything Undertaker says and keep his cool, by way of his stubborn nature. But I donât think Will would respond well to having his glasses removed. Thereâs too much to contradict that so far and it would be a surprise to me if that was the case.
Youâve theorised before that Willâs emotions and empathy run deeper than surface appearances and I absolutely agree with that, so to say he has no emotional weaknesses is also incorrect. But he could brush aside any attacks aimed at those weaknesses because he is stubborn.
William could and probably will give Undertaker a run for his money in a fight, but he is no paragon. He does have weaknesses which Undertaker could exploit. What would be more interesting is if Undertaker does exploit those weaknesses and mid fight Will moves past them to win anyway. That would be infinitely more entertaining to the audience and could provide for some very efficient cliffhangers between chapters.
I personally have no doubts that Will and Undertaker are set to meet in the manga, I just wonder whether (and which) one will end up dead, or whether Will might get Undertaker to return to Dispatch (as happened briefly in anime season 1, near the end), or Undertaker might get Will to desert, which would be such a mind-blowing plot-twist. I mean. Maybe not for me since this is the sort of thing I ponder constantly, but for the rest of the fandom sure.
Anyway my point is neither Will or UT are perfect fighters, though I do agree that Will has the best chance of any character weâve seen so far of stopping UT.
*mindblown* I never thought about Undertaker getting William to desert. I also thought William was potentially one of the strongest Kuro character, so if he leaves and possibly with Undertaker. I would think we’re fcked. Lol.
I honestly think Shinigami try to appear as ânormalâ as possible and live their new lives to the fullest. Nothing in their behavior hints that they were suicide victims. A little fucked up in the mind, maybe.
True. tbh I really want Toboso to bring us more information about this. Because overall I feel this was indeed not an idea that was there since the beggining. But well, we just need more information.
Everything about them seems to stem from their suicides. Even the selection of their death scythes can at least sometimes tie back to WHY they killed themselves. I havenât analysed them all, so maybe they all tie back to how or why. They were meant to be suicides from the very beginning. I have zero doubt about this.
Iâve already posted in-depth analyses of the following reapers and their death scythes (can easily be found on my reaper blog, abybweissekuroshinigami):
Undertakerand his old fashioned scythe â I think I might have only discussed this in reblogs?? Mostly, this places him as dying long, long ago⊠probably around 1200. If heâs really Cedric K. Rosâ, then heâs partially based on Cedric Rotherwood from Ivanoe, set in 1194. The exact opposite of Ronald Knox, he would be traditional and opposed to change. He wouldnât be fond of monetary systems or the ruling monarchyâŠ. Just like the story of Ivanhoe, there is something romantic (and timeless) about Undertaker. Other clues suggest Undertaker was betrayed and abandoned. (Bonus: I think he might have set himself on fire.)
Grell Sutcliff and the chainsaw â chainsaws used in the lumber industry started out as small chains used to help women with childbirth complications. Couldnât bear children, led to depression, committed suicide. (Bonus: I think Grell drowned, just like Ophelia in Hamlet.)
William T. Spears and the telescopic pruner â it allows him to keep his distance from others. Not just demons he might fight but also the people from whom heâs collecting souls. I donât think he could get close to anyone (emotionally) in life, either. (Bonus: I think Will jumped from the top of a building.)
Ronald Knox and the cylinder lawnmower â though Iâve analysed the death scythe, I havenât quite determined the reason, except that heâs a modern and sporty guy⊠and the lawnmower replaced the scythe to cut lawns, changing and modernizing the rules of numerous sports. Perhaps he thought he was just way ahead of his time, and no one understood him? (Bonus: I think he slit his wrists.)
Sascha and⊠is the camera really his death scythe? â Since we havenât seen him actively reaping (unless using the camera âsteals the soulâ like some people used to believe) I analysed the camera. Until we get confirmation on his death scythe, I canât say what it has to do with his suicide. However, his suicide method is hanging by noose; thatâs canon, as he is shown in silhouette putting a noose around his neck in one panel⊠while heâs narrating that reapers are all suicides. Itâs clearly him with the noose.
Othello and a modernized sickle â I have discussed this in reblogs only, so far. It seems to tie back to Shakespeareâs Othello, who kills himself after killing his wife and finding out the accusations against her were based on false evidence. Heâs more of a modern thinker than Undertaker, so even though he uses a sickle, itâs modern in appearance. Itâs also a bit reminiscent of a Moorâs (or Arabâs) scimitar, which was a commonly used curved sword. His namesake was fooled with fake evidence, so perhaps thatâs why our Othello is now in the reaper forensics department. (Bonus: since Othello in the play stabs himself with a dagger, I imagine our Othello doing the same.)
I think those are the only ones Iâve got to, so far, but the rest are works-in-progress.